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<description><![CDATA[I'm not going to waste a lot of time on this.  but essentially you belief system is just as idiotic as religion (idiot used in clinical sense, not pejorative)<br/><a href="http://keytoann.wordpress.com/2010/06/14/the-g-word/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://keytoann.wordpress.com/2010/06/14/the-g-word/</a><br/>walt]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[I'm not a huge fan of Bright, but I understand the point. I prefer the term Humanist, but there are many others who think that term should carry specific points of view just as some atheists think you have to "believe" certain things to be considered a true atheist. That's no better than what religion does. I must admit, however, I do kind of like the term Enbrightenment as a modern movement which further progresses from what the Enlightenment achieved. Unfortunately when it comes to rational, logical thought and freethinking, the majority of the US populace is slipping into a modern day Dark Ages.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[I have been accused of having no faith in anything BECAUSE I dont have faith in a God. Which provoked me giving this face... <img src="images/smilies/eek7.gif" border="0" alt="Whaaaaa?" /> lol<br/><br/>When debating against a friend, he argued that 1. because the religion had been around for so long, it must be right.<br/>                                                                   2. because so many follow the religion, they cant ALL be wrong.<br/>                                                                   3. and the real winner.. Its <u>obvious</u> that christianity is real, because of the Bible <img src="images/smilies/wink.gif" border=0 /><br/><br/>Who can name the logical fallacies? lol]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<b>JustTheKidNextDoor</b> wrote:<br><div class=quote>I would say: <br/>* A theist is someone who believes nothing made a God that made everything else with zero evidence.<br/><br/>...and.. <br/><br/>* an atheist is someone who doesn't know whether the universe was made or came to be, but is still searching, for he hates using the the «god of the gaps argument» for things he cannot understand --by now--.</div><br/><br/>A Theist is someone who believe's in a God. A God which had no creator, and created everything. (They wont see it as 'zero evidence')<br/><br/>A Atheist is someone with a lack of belief in God/s.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[I would say: <br/>* A theist is someone who believes nothing made a God that made everything else with zero evidence.<br/><br/>...and.. <br/><br/>* an atheist is someone who doesn't know whether the universe was made or came to be, but is still searching, for he hates using the the «god of the gaps argument» for things he cannot understand --by now--.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<b>Alexander</b> wrote:<br><div class=quote>My $0.02. <br/><br/>I would have the first one read as "1) The Gospel stories (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) were not written until anywhere from 20-40 years after the time of Jesus' <b>alleged</b> death."<br/><br/>After reading jesusneverexisted.com, I'm unconvinced there was a single person the gospel godman is based on. Instead, the story was based on several individuals, Jewish myths, earlier pagan religions, and outright fabrications.</div><br/><br/>Be careful of websites like that, which have clear agendas, and do not give citations by which to readily verify their claims.<br/><br/>Wikipedia usually makes a decent primer for this sort of thing:<br/><br/><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus</a>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[My $0.02. <br/><br/>I would have the first one read as "1) The Gospel stories (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) were not written until anywhere from 20-40 years after the time of Jesus' <b>alleged</b> death."<br/><br/>After reading jesusneverexisted.com, I'm unconvinced there was a single person the gospel godman is based on. Instead, the story was based on several individuals, Jewish myths, earlier pagan religions, and outright fabrications.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[I don't care for it either, and I believe that it's really a cancer to the movement itself if for no other reason that, as others have mention, it's antithesis "dim". You don't win a person over by telling them they have an ugly baby, whether their baby really is ugly or not.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Hi all... I was advised to sign up here by Zhav- I mean Alexander.<br/><br/>Looks good... Should be cool when more posters sign up. <br/><br/>By the way, I love the smiley's you have.       Me &gt;&gt;  <img src="images/smilies/28517070443.gif" border="0" alt="S&M Abuse" />  &lt;&lt;Christianity]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<b>Tyrrho</b> wrote:<br><div class=quote>I like that.  An atheist is someone who believes that nothing made everything.<br/><br/>And a theist is someone who believes that God made everything and nothing made God.</div><br/><br/><img src="images/smilies/whs0be.gif" border="0" alt="What He Said" />]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<b>Tim A</b> wrote:<br><div class=quote>Why should atheists be willing to be more outspoken?<br/><br/>See the billboard picture, and <a href="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=90743" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">this article</a>.</div><br/><br/>I think the stigma that surrounds atheism (Although, I feel it is decreasing) is ridiculous.<br/><br/>There was a bus ad campaign over here in England, where christians started 'advertising' christianity... "Jesus said: I am the resurrection, the life and whoever believes in me will live" *With a picture of 'Jesus' on the side.<br/><br/>There was no uproar about this, no news coverage, everyone just went about their life... Oh look there's another Jesus ad, and so on.<br/><br/>The atheist community then made their own ad (The money was raised by atheist's around the country and was matched by Dawkins)... "There's probably no God, So stop worrying and get on with your life"...<br/><br/><i>Suddenly</i> it was on the BBC news, 'how can atheist's do this' etc. Christians were livid.<br/><br/>It's for <u>these</u> kind of reactions, that I feel atheists aren't more outspoken. They should be or.. we should be more outspoke.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[they cannot even get rid of the word «made», which implies purpose and planning. they cannot think outta the purpose idea. Things cannot happen without somebody making them happen to them.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[I like that.  An atheist is someone who believes that nothing made everything.<br/><br/>And a theist is someone who believes that God made everything and nothing made God.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[I don't like it either.  People are likely to hear "I am a Bright" as "I am bright", and think, "Well, aren't you full of yourself?"<br/><br/>I don't have a problem with agnostic, freethinker, and the like, but I think atheist says it best.]]></description>
<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:17:55 GMT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Why should atheists be willing to be more outspoken?<br/><br/>See the billboard picture, and <a href="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=90743" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">this article</a>.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Why should atheists be willing to be more outspoken?<br/><br/>See the billboard picture, and <a href="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=90743" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">this article</a>.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<b>Tim A</b> wrote:<br><div class=quote>Here's my list of the things I wish every Christian knew about their religion and the Bibl, but few of them do. Got any others?</div><br/><br/>You're on the right track, here, but this list needs some corrections.  If I may...<br/><br/><b>Tim A</b> wrote:<br><div class=quote>Most modern scholars (both Christian and non-Christian) agree to the following points:</div><br/><br/>Christian/Biblical scholarship is almost evenly divided between conservative and liberal camps.  The conservatives, naturally, defend issues like eyewitness authorship of the Gospels and authenticity of the general Epistles.  Only liberals (many of whom are Christians) acknowledge the following facts.<br/><br/><b>Tim A</b> wrote:<br><div class=quote>1) The Gospel stories (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) were not written until anywhere from 20-40 years after the time of Jesus' death.<br/><br/>2) The Gospels were not written by apostles or other eyewitnesses. The names of the Gospels do not refer to the names of the authors. The real authors are unknown. The names were assigned by the early Christian church as a matter of "tradition".<br/><br/>3) The Gospels were not written in the order they appear in the Bible. Mark was actually written first, followed by Matthew and Luke, then John.</div><br/><br/>All this is very probably true.  But of course a "probably" needs to be added to each point.<br/><br/><b>Tim A</b> wrote:<br><div class=quote>4) Mark, the earliest Gospel, says nothing about a virgin birth, nor of a resurrection.</div><br/><br/>The Resurrection is mentioned in Mark 16:6.  You seem to be thinking of post-Resurrection <i>appearances</i>, stories of which the Gospel of Mark lacks.<br/><br/><b>Tim A</b> wrote:<br><div class=quote>5) Matthew and Luke, the later Gospels, copy a great deal of their source material directly from Mark.</div><br/><br/>As before, a "probably" needs to be added here.<br/><br/><b>Tim A</b> wrote:<br><div class=quote>They then augment (or embellish) the story with additional details, including the birth and resurrection.</div><br/><br/>They embellish the story with infancy narratives and stories of post-Resurrection appearances.  The Resurrection, as mentioned above, is indeed discussed in Mark.<br/><br/><b>Tim A</b> wrote:<br><div class=quote>6) There were numerous accounts of Jesus, with many conflicting stories.</div><br/><br/>This is true exactly as stated.<br/><br/><b>Tim A</b> wrote:<br><div class=quote>In 325 at the Council of Nicea, early church elders voted on which gospel stories would be included in the New Testament.</div><br/><br/>This is completely false.  It's an unfortunate misconception which has been around for many years.<br/><br/><b>Tim A</b> wrote:<br><div class=quote>7) Early Christian sects were regarded as little more than cults for almost 300 years. It wasn't until the conversion of the Roman emperor Constantine that this changed. He not only ended persecution of Christians, but declared it the official state religion.</div><br/><br/>This too is false--another common misconception.  Constantine made Christianity legal with the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Milan" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Edict of Milan</a> in 313 AD, but it was not made the state religion until 380 AD, when <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodosius_I#Nicene_Christianity_becomes_the_state_religion" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Theodosius I</a> declared it to be so.<br/><br/>As for early Christians being considered cultists, I'm not sure what you mean by that.  The concept of a cult is modern idea.<br/><br/><b>Tim A</b> wrote:<br><div class=quote>8) The teaching the Jesus and God are one and the same was not decided upon until the council of Nicea. Everyone in attendance agreed – because they were threatened with excommunication and exile otherwise. In typical church fashion, they then burned all known writings that were contradictory to this teaching.</div><br/><br/>This is somewhat true, but needs to be clarified.  A belief in the divinity of Jesus dates back at least to the late first century, with the Gospel of John.  This doctrine grew in popularity such that by 325 AD, it was widely dominant.  That year, thanks to the freedom granted by the Edict of Milan, hundreds of Bishops from around the Christian world were able to come together in Nicea and codify a creed of orthodoxy.  Chief among the issues was Arianism (AKA the divinity of Jesus).  Arius taught that Jesus was of similar substance as God the Father, but not the <i>same</i> substance.  The Nicene Bishops almost unanimously disagreed, and issued their creed.  At the time, they were under no threat of exile or excommunication, whether or not they held to Arianism.  Only after the Council had ended was affirmation of the Nicene Creed made compulsory.  Arian supporters were given opportunity to recant, and although a few bishops were exiled, some reports suggest they were later recalled.  Arius' books (not all books in conflict with Christian orthodoxy) were ordered burned.<br/><br/><b>Tim A</b> wrote:<br><div class=quote>9) The only books of the New Testament whose authorship is not in doubt is a handful of the epistles written by Paul. What's interesting about Paul's writings is that he doesn't seem to hold the view that Jesus lived in human form. </div><br/><br/>This is false.  Paul does not talk about Jesus' life very much, but what he says is not at all unusual.  For example, in 1 Co 11, he talks about the betrayal and last supper.  In 1 Cor 15, he mentions Jesus' death and burial (and his Resurrection, though of course that bit is not historical).<br/><br/><b>Tim A</b> wrote:<br><div class=quote>Feel free to comment on my list, or add your own!</div><br/><br/>The number one thing for Christians to keep in mind is this:  There is no good evidence that a supernatural disembodied mind exists, much less that it cares about humans, and sent itself in human form to perform ritual sacrifice to atone for human disobedience.<br/><em>edited by hatsoff on 3/5/2009</em>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Anyone heard of this yet? There is a new <a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=50200339561" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Facebook group</a>:<br/><br/><i>Blasphemy Day International is an international campaign seeking to establish September 30th as a national day to promote free speech and stand up in a show of solidarity for the freedom to mock and insult religion without fear of murder, violence, and reprisal. It is the obligation of the world's nations to safeguard dissent and the dissenters, not to side with the brutal interests of thugs who demand "respect" for their beliefs (i.e., immunity to being criticized or mocked or they threaten violence). <br/><br/>So if you support free speech, and the rights of those who disagree with religious views to voice their opinions peacefully, support our group and join the cause!</i>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Obviously the biggest problem with so-called "Intelligent Design" is that the science simply doesn't hold up under scrutiny.<br/><br/>But for those who are too lazy to investigate and understand the actual science involved, I'll point out a couple of simple, philosophical problems with the whole concept of an intelligent designer.<br/><br/><b>The Perfect Designer</b><br/><br/>First, ID makes God out to be a bit of a nincompoop. ID theorists claim that every so often, God comes along and re-directs the natural order… sort of a "directed" evolution. But God is supposed to be perfect, all-powerful, and unchanging. Wouldn't such a God just have created everything once, and designed it from the beginning in such a way that he wouldn't need to intervene? This notion that he comes along every so often and makes course corrections suggests he's a bit of an incompetent, and he isn't quite sure what he is doing. It makes no sense. In fact, it makes much more sense to assume that Darwin's theory of evolution was exactly how God intended things to work: he put all the pieces in place, and then let it carry out naturally according to His plan!<br/><br/>On this point alone, I don't understand why any theist would support Intelligent Design. But wait… there's more!<br/><br/><b>The Design Timeline</b><br/><br/>Most ID proponents hold that evolution happens on a small scale within species, but it can't create new species. They term this "micro-evolution" vs. "macro-evolution". This differentiation exists only within the ID community. The only thing that limits the changes in "micro-evolution" from creating a new species is the imagination of those who put forth this theory. They forget how long the geological timescale is. How many small changes, when compounded over millions of years, does it take to get to a large change?<br/><br/><b>The Perfect Design</b><br/><br/>If the designer was intelligent, he appears to have been far from perfect. Many creationists look at the human body in awe and say, "How could something so complex NOT have been designed?" But there is hardly a part of the human body that we can look at and not think of a way that it could have been designed better.<br/>Some would argue that we humans are not qualified to judge. Since we could not create something as complex as the human body, who are we to judge such a creation? But just because we might not be capable of creating a better design (at least not yet), this does not mean we should be prohibited from pointing out flaws in the existing design. We do this as individuals all the time. We regularly see design flaws in buildings, in computer software, in home appliances. Most of us aren't capable of building these things ourselves, but it doesn't mean that our critique of the design isn't perfectly valid, along with our ability to notice the problems in the design.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[When you are debating a theist, I find it is of the utmost importance to maintain your cool, and remain polite. Sure, you can get into a screaming match, but where does it get you? You'll never convince anyone of anything by yelling, or by putting them down or making fun of them.<br/><br/>Sometimes this is easier said than done, especially when talking about religious fantasies.<br/><br/>Other than biting your tongue, any good recommendations for staying positive in your conversations?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Here's my list of the things I wish every Christian knew about their religion and the Bibl, but few of them do. Got any others?<br/><br/>Most modern scholars (both Christian and non-Christian) agree to the following points:<br/><br/>1) The Gospel stories (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) were not written until anywhere from 20-40 years after the time of Jesus' death.<br/><br/>2) The Gospels were not written by apostles or other eyewitnesses. The names of the Gospels do not refer to the names of the authors. The real authors are unknown. The names were assigned by the early Christian church as a matter of "tradition".<br/><br/>3) The Gospels were not written in the order they appear in the Bible. Mark was actually written first, followed by Matthew and Luke, then John.<br/><br/>4) Mark, the earliest Gospel, says nothing about a virgin birth, nor of a resurrection.<br/><br/>5) Matthew and Luke, the later Gospels, copy a great deal of their source material directly from Mark. They then augment (or embellish) the story with additional details, including the birth and resurrection.<br/><br/>6) There were numerous accounts of Jesus, with many conflicting stories. In 325 at the Council of Nicea, early church elders voted on which gospel stories would be included in the New Testament.<br/><br/>7) Early Christian sects were regarded as little more than cults for almost 300 years. It wasn't until the conversion of the Roman emperor Constantine that this changed. He not only ended persecution of Christians, but declared it the official state religion.<br/><br/>8) The teaching the Jesus and God are one and the same was not decided upon until the council of Nicea. Everyone in attendance agreed – because they were threatened with excommunication and exile otherwise. In typical church fashion, they then burned all known writings that were contradictory to this teaching.<br/><br/>9) The only books of the New Testament whose authorship is not in doubt is a handful of the epistles written by Paul. What's interesting about Paul's writings is that he doesn't seem to hold the view that Jesus lived in human form. <br/><br/>Feel free to comment on my list, or add your own!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[No, this isn't spam.  I'm a member at the CARM forums, and Zhavric asked me to poke my head in this forum since it was so quiet.  So I thought I'd introduce myself by linking to some of my youtube videos.<br/><br/>Here is a two-part discussion on Biblical contradictions (it's not the typical anti-Bible rant you all may be used to hearing):<br/><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh1xrcA6hqg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">part I</a><br/><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLQ66tRO6UA" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">part II</a><br/><br/>The following is a three-part discussion on my view of early Christian writings:<br/><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxx_qVjisb4" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">part I</a><br/><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AHREoDZiOk" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">part II</a><br/><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E-RTGKbzgc" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">part III</a><br/><br/>Have at them, if you're interested.  I'll check back later to read and possibly respond to feedback.<br/><em>edited by hatsoff on 3/8/2009</em>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Hey all of all y'all shizzling your snizzles and being cool wij digging it like a dogg and breaking things down for your brothers man... dudes...<br/><br/>I am NOT blowfly, or any form of insect.<br/><br/>I like the boards, but you need more posters. And you need more posts for posters to come. And you need more posters for posts to come.<br/><br/>Anyway.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Some douche <img src="images/smilies/smile.gif" border=0 />]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[hello everyone..<br/>besides, let's be honest. It doesn't really matter who's more moral, or whether religion or atheism makes you more moral or less moral. That's not the point. The point at stake is whether there's a God or not. Sam Harris says it really clearly in his book Letter To A Christian Nation:<br/><br/>«Even if a belief in God had a reliable, positive effect upon human behavior, this would not offer a reason to believe in God. One can believe in God only if one thinks that God actually exists. Even if atheism led straight to moral chaos, this would not suggest that the doctrine of Christianity is true.»<br/><br/>But I agree, it's a really unfair, ungrounded and annoying accusation. But we should right away make them see, that's not the point being discussed. Even if atheism made people immoral, that wouldn't justify anyone's beliefs in the supernatural.<br/><em>edited by JustTheKidNextDoor on 3/4/2009</em>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Who is this Zhavric character you keep claiming not to be?]]></description>
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<title>Message from Tim A</title>
<description><![CDATA[Lol, good one dude. You really had me going there. I was trying to figure out where to even go with that.<br/><br/>Thanks for showing up. <img src="images/smilies/smile.gif" border=0 />]]></description>
<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:37:43 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from Alexander</title>
<description><![CDATA[No morals is a common one. A variation on it is the tired old, "Stalin and Hitler were atheists" argument. Hitler was actually a christian, but that's neither here nor there. <br/><br/>Another common one is, "Well, if there's no god, how did the world / universe / people get here?" <br/><br/>I've also seen a lot of "(insert bible quote) therefor, Jesus is the only way to get into heaven." <br/><br/>More than that, I just see <i>bad</i> logic from them (and from some agnostics as well). I hear things like "nothing can be proven" or "there are no absolutes". <br/><br/>Lastly, there are many attempts to villify prominent atheists such as Richard Dawkins.]]></description>
<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:12:09 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from Alexander</title>
<description><![CDATA[Now, I'm absolutely NOT Zhavric, but if I were, I'd say thanks for showing up and encourage you to post some threads.]]></description>
<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:08:27 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from Alexander</title>
<description><![CDATA[I'm a local atheist to our fearless webmaster. <br/><br/>I really like the site so far and I've been trying to get people to come here. <br/><br/>By the by, I am absolutely, in no way, 100% and in all reality definitely NOT the person known as Zhavric. No way. No how. Any resemblence is purely coincidental.]]></description>
<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:07:52 GMT</pubDate>
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